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Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

torzio said:
@salento

More T1a2 ydna ................look like a younger branch .................Fischer family , 7 in number

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/fischer?iframe=yresults

one has a gedmatch #
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@Torzio … distant MRCA, … see settings, … he matches the Germans, so he's probably closer to you.

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torzio said:
I will check what I can find about Blarer

Erspamer has there ftdna site
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/erspamer-family-tree-dna-project/dna-results

his ancestors are in this link

http://valdinonusa.com/search.php?mylastname=ERSPAMER&lnqualify=equals&mybool=AND
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I am not connected with this erspamer ( above ) unless they are cousins ............I cannot work it out

I was sent this information on my link with the Erspamer

Giovanni Giuseppe b. 1826 ...............with my line ....her ( Maddalena ) grandfather married a Miotto while my line was with his first wife which was a Robazza
Giovanni b.1793 ..........Marianna Sartor
Gasparo b.1741 .........Maria Targher
Gasparo b. 1712 ..........Angela Rech
Leonardo b. 1673 .........Apolloina Rella
Antonio b. 1640 ............Barbara Port
Leonardo b. 1614 ...........Brigida Trette
Antonio b. 1582 ...........Cattarina Rolle
 
torzio said:
I am not connected with this erspamer ( above ) unless they are cousins ............I cannot work it out

I was sent this information on my link with the Erspamer

Giovanni Giuseppe b. 1826 ...............with my line ....her ( Maddalena ) grandfather married a Miotto while my line was with his first wife which was a Robazza
Giovanni b.1793 ..........Marianna Sartor
Gasparo b.1741 .........Maria Targher
Gasparo b. 1712 ..........Angela Rech
Leonardo b. 1673 .........Apolloina Rella
Antonio b. 1640 ............Barbara Port
Leonardo b. 1614 ...........Brigida Trette
Antonio b. 1582 ...........Cattarina Rolle
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Sartor is the venetian word for tailor
gher is a typical friuli surname ending............same as net and others
Rech is found from Trentino to Venice over many centuries
Rella is typical pugliese surname
Port , only found in trentino
Rolle.....from Piedmont to trentino
the others I will check
 
Salento said:
Rella / Rollo - Potayto / Potahto :-)

… the majority of the Rella are in Puglia, and the majority of the Rollo are in Salento, … and as you know Salento is part of Puglia.
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ok ................scribes can make many errors or names are changed slightly from one family to another
 
@Salento

I have a new ftdna T person , genetic distance 0 ................surname Gue ..............do you have this as well?

found a link to the ancestors

Francesco b.1883 in Italy

father is Alfonso b.1853 in Italy ............wife is surname Galen


not sure , but could be from Foggia Italy ...............but Galen is a Veneto surname

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Also found in Taggia, Liguria

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further history states oldest Gue is from Brittany France circa 1450
 
torzio said:
@Salento

I have a new ftdna T person , genetic distance 0 ................surname Gue ..............do you have this as well?

found a link to the ancestors

Francesco b.1883 in Italy

father is Alfonso b.1853 in Italy ............wife is surname Galen


not sure , but could be from Foggia Italy ...............but Galen is a Veneto surname

..................................
Also found in Taggia, Liguria

.............................................
further history states oldest Gue is from Brittany France circa 1450
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I don’t see any Gue / Galen, though I did find a Sartori. Maybe related to your Sartor.
 
Salento said:
I don’t see any Gue / Galen, though I did find a Sartori. Maybe related to your Sartor.
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just found out that Gue is his adoptive surname ....the person was born as a Dobson
 
torzio said:
just found out that Gue is his adoptive surname ....the person was born as a Dobson
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I have written to Ken and found his grandfather was named Aefria/o ( b 1863 ) which is an italian christian name................Dobson could be a name used for when he migrated to USA ..............Aefria wife was name marie( b. 1875 ) Kamprich and was born in Germany
 
with the new ftdna matching system, I got my 3rd.... L-M20 match on my paternal side ......must be a marriage/s some where ............they all originate in Trentino or Vincenza province of Veneto

so the surnames in question are

Corse
Rentenbach
Cielo
Toigo

Another L ydna is surnamed Bergamo .......I am chatting with him ATM
 
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my map from myheritage



I have been in contact with a German recently in trying to find a link in the map for me.

I have found a link with 2 families from Pederobba , Veneto and a german family from Trier and westeldorf Germany ( same area on map) names H.Welend and wife C. Andries .............their line went back and forth between these areas plus switzerland.
Checking my DNA in myheritage, my line and father line share DNA segments from 8 families in the Pederobba town, in Veneto, Italy

This is all prior to the year 1780
 
After ftdna latest update ....the BigY for T-Z19945 has 17 branches coming out of it

with only 18 members shown nationality and 5 unshown

most is 6 belgiums and next is 3 italians ...............only 1 non-european ..a Turk

one of the Belgiums is the fabricated surname of vironet ........chat with ancestor Matt Verona for true ancestors...................they seem to be from Luoco friuli circa 1650

i am not sure on the accuracy of ftdna anymore
 
@salento

got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

they state
came to NZ from USA
in USA from 1775
In England prior to 1775

In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

origin of family is from Apulia Italy



I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

Lecce x 180
Taranto x 14

Foggia x 9


Brindisi x 2

Bari x 2

These are households and not individuals


You come across anything for this surname ?
 
Only other 80% plus DNA march is with a family from Lombardy surname Corna

I asked them what their Ydna is if they have it
 
torzio said:
@salento

got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

they state
came to NZ from USA
in USA from 1775
In England prior to 1775

In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

origin of family is from Apulia Italy



I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

Lecce x 180
Taranto x 14

Foggia x 9


Brindisi x 2

Bari x 2

These are households and not individuals


You come across anything for this surname ?
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I don't know anyone by that surname.

If the family left Apulia in the 1600s, and the vast majority of the Casto reside in the province of Lecce, it is reasonable to assume that they’re Salentini.
 
torzio said:
I have written to Ken and found his grandfather was named Aefria/o ( b 1863 ) which is an italian christian name................Dobson could be a name used for when he migrated to USA ..............Aefria wife was name marie( b. 1875 ) Kamprich and was born in Germany
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[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Aefria E Dobson[/TD]
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[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Residence[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA
[/TD]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Age[/TD]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Marriage[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Circa 1893[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Race[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]White[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Ethnicity[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]American[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Wife[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Mary Dobson[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Children[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Jesse Dobson
Herbert Dobson
Leslie Dobson[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
torzio said:
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[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Aefria E Dobson[/TD]
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[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Male[/TD]
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[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Birth[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Jan 1863 Iowa, United States[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Residence[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Age[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Marital status[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Married[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Marriage[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Circa 1893[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Race[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]White[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Ethnicity[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]American[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Wife[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Mary Dobson[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recordFieldsRow lastField"]
[TD="class: recordFieldLabel"]Children[/TD]
[TD="class: recordFieldValue"]Jesse Dobson
Herbert Dobson
Leslie Dobson[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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